Below, an interview from an art magazine I bought recently profiling a John Waters art show and promoting his new book role models (A book where he discusses his role models, from anti-fashion fashion designers, Baltimore legends, Little Richard and his moustache, A Manson girl, contemporary art and outsider porn among other things.) Below are the photos from his art show and a few parts from the interview where he talks about the art (the rest of the interview is focused on the role models book, which is good, but it serves no purpose showing dialogue discussing parts of the book without any reference. So I won’t do it!)











INTERVIEWER (italics): I had to laugh at my mom, who walked through your show’s opening a few times last night, eavesdropping on what people were saying. She loved hearing a woman waxing philosophically on one of the stills from pecker about what it was and what it really meant. Mom thought, “You idiot, it’s a picture of a light socket from a film set.”
JOHN WATERS (bold): It is, but it’s for the crew. It’s art for the crew. It’s noticing something that no one else notices and photographing it. It isn’t the normal things people would take a picture of if they were on a movie set. They want to take picture of the actors or of the cameras. They don’t want the tiny little details that only the crew has to care about or notice. I did another series where I photographed the marks that the actors had to hit with their feet. I’ve shown them before, which was the only thing that can’t be in a movie still. It’s art that only the crew sees; it’s clutter, teeny little still life that no one would notice on a movie set.
In rewatching Pecker, I especially loved the part, with regards to art and noticing things, of Shelly (Christina Ricci) saying to Pecker (Edward Furlong), “You’re crazy, you see art when there’s nothing there!” Has that been a blueprint for your life?
Art is exactly when there’s nothing there and only you can see it. Art’s magic. If you go to art galleries all day and you really learn to see, when you walk home, at least for a couple hours, you’ll see something on the street that will remind you of art. It fades; you have to go back to galleries. But then everything you see will look like art, if you learn to not have contempt about what contemporary art asks you to do, which is usually see things that regular people can’t. I did a piece once that said, “contemporary art hates you.” It does. It hates you. If you’re the kind that walks in and says, “my kid could do that,’ or ‘that’s ridiculous,’ because you aren’t giving it a chance, because you aren’t seeing it in a different way. If you can’t see it in a different way, it hates you. You have to stop, and not have contempt before investigation, which most people have about contemporary art as they walk through the door of a gallery. That’s why galleries don’t care if they’re in out of the way neighborhoods; they don’t want people to walk in off the street, because they will hate it. They want people that want to go there; that’s why Chelsea started.
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I have a studio. And in my studio is certainly every little thing that can give me ideas. I’ve had the roach things for a long time and I”ve had rats and roaches in my movies. “Decorative” is sometimes the meanest word you can use in art, a real no-no, I did the roach stuff to keep decorators, or the kind that buy art to match the furniture or to put over the sofa, away. Although, my art would fit over the sofa because it’s long and thin, so it’s a joke! I don’t know how many people want to hang the The Process, the giant, scary one of someone who worships Christ and the devil over their sofa, though. That’s what I like’ it might be sofa sized, but not sofa-subject appropriate.
The first Christmas ornament I put on my tree every year is your “Seasons Greetings, John Waters” plastic roach in the clear ornament ball………WIth the “Passion of Audrey Hepburn” and ‘Product Placement’ in particular, you’re manipulating pictures of icons. Are you worried that Audrey Hepburn’s ghost is going to be irritated that you reinvented her with hickeys all over her neck?
No, because she has the most famous neck in the world. If you really like to give hickeys, wouldn’t she be the most ideal person to give hickeys to? She’s so famous, she’s so iconic, she lived in Switzerland, and she had a sense of humor. It’s parodying an image that’s almost sacred, which I do a lot.
You’re definitely the most impeccably scheduled, hardest working person I know. I’ve said in the past that I need to be a little bit more structured like you to get more work finished in my own life. Do your habits come out of something instilled by your parents? Or Catholic school? Or is it what works for you to get everything in that’s needed for your day?
Not Catholic school. I went to private grade school, public junior high school, and Catholic high school. My Father, I think, probably instilled it in me. I look back and think, how did I make those early movies? I took LSD all the time, I went out every night. How did I do them? I don’ remember! Did I go to sleep the night before? But nowadays I’m very organized. Sunday to Thursday I don’t go out, certainly, I even schedule a hangover three nights in advance.
Reading about the bars of Baltimore in the book made me want to go to Baltimore, if just for them.
You can get beat up at those bars. I wouldn’t advise just walking in.
When you’re in SF or New York, do you do a similar bar night?
In NYC I can’t find bars like that. If they’re biker bars, they’re fashion biker bars. If they’re hillbilly bars, it’s hipsters dressed as hillbillies. There are other bars I do go to, yes. The difference is that the next morning there are pictures of me online, posted on blogs that I don’t even know are being taken. That doesn’t happen in Baltimore.